Wolverine (in Hell) #5: Open Thread

Wolverine (2010) #5 coverWolverine #5 (preview)
Writer: Jason Aaron
Pencils: Renato Guedes
Inks: Jose Wilson Magalhaes

From Marvel: “There’s a riot going on down below! As hell explodes around him, Logan confronts the last person in the world he ever thought he’d have to face again. Plus Sabretooth! And Ghost Riders! And demonic action galore! Don’t miss this shocking finale to the sold-out saga of ‘Wolverine Goes to Hell.'”

On sale January 19, 2011.


Not sure this finale worked for me.

I mean, I really like Jason Aaron, it’s a very interesting concept, but I somehow ended up feeling let down.

And, to be honest, it’s not the first time with Aaron’s stories. He writes some really compelling stories, but the endings leave me lacking.

Anyone else care to share their reactions?

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  1. i actually think that this isn’t the ending yet. i know that the wolverine in hell storyarc has concluded already but i think the next storyarc is directly connected to this one, kinda like enemy of the state and agent of shield.

  2. Yeah…this isn’t the ending per se, but in my opinion, the entire arc was a little flat.

    The “devil” was so lame, and so un-frightening, that I now want to travel to hell, just to slap the shit out of him. He looked like a “Legend” (Tom Cruise classic for you youngin’s) demon knock off. The devil is a deceiver, a manipulator, not so brute thug. The only thing that differentiated the devil from those minions was his size and some silly sword. The devil should have taken on many forms and battled Logan psychologically. The only effed up thing he did was bring out Mariko, but not much happened with that.

    I also wish that the Red Right Hand should have been fleshed out a bit more…I still don’t know who all of them are and what their beef is…I don’t want to wait until issue #20 and not care by then. If any of you read Wolverine #175, and read Aaron’s coming out story during that talent search, the seeds of this story are planted there, pretty obviously…so I wonder, is that old man the father of those three men Wolverine killed?

    Either way, the point is…this story of hell could have been more scary and more psychologically terrifying, but it was just weak. The coloring, and brightness of hell also contributed to it.

  3. I agree that the arc was a little flat. They really could have done a lot more, though I did enjoy this issue (a little more than the rest of the story)

    I thought I heard that some of the loose ends will tie up in #5.1, but I’m not 100% sure.

  4. Wolverine issue number six has a demonic Logan taking on Magneto, Cyclops, and Namor at the same time. Wolverine issue number seven continues this story, while Storm, Rogue, and Kitty Pryde go on a rescue mission. (Which I assume is to bring Logan back to his body) Finally Wolverine issue number eight promises to wrap things up, with a major battle between Cyclops and demon Wolverine.

    I didn’t read issue number five but I do agree that the Devil was less then spectacular. Personally I feel that anybody who tries to illustrate the biblical devil with horns and brimstone is doomed for failure. I always felt a convincing Devil was better off hiding behind human skin, like the way it was portrayed in the movie Devil’s Advocate. There are many other films that portray the Devil in a impressive way, heck even the song Sympathy for the Devil has the whole Devil walking among us concept nailed down pretty good. However that is just my personal taste of how the Devil should be portrayed, because any other way is just plain silly in my eyes.

    As for Jason Aaron, I will say that I am happy he is revisiting all of Logan’s old stomping grounds, allies and villains. Even the Princess Bar is finally getting recognition, which is something of a treat to a old fan like me. I didn’t really like all of the old Wolverine stories that took place on Madripoor, but it still feels great that Jason Aaron is going back and acknowledging those stories still hold value in Wolverine’s fictional life.

    Too much new writers attempt to write Wolverine from a brand new perspective. Thus they often reinvent new history for Wolverine, without attempting to tie loose ends or resolve old conflicts that never really ended. So with Jason Aaron I really really wish for him to continue to write Wolverine for at least another five years if not more.

    Of course I’m sure everyone else feels differently, so please post your comments below. =)

  5. I agree, Jason Aaron seems to bring back an old school Logan that I remember. A character with a certain charm and appeal instead of some beserker dimwit all these other writers portray him as. Its refreshing and as long as he’s pumping out out good characterization, then I say keep him.

    I do think he needs to work on closing out his stories better. This arc closed poorly, and his Deathlok story closed poorly. Too many big ideas that he tries to cram an ending to quickly and it falls flat.

    He doesn’t need redeeming quite yet, but I hope he does throw out another flake like this hell story. It was unimaginative in an epic scale.

    Also, Wolverine in Madripoor were my all-time favorite stories, so going back to what made him my favorite hero ever is always a good thing.

  6. Regarding Jason Aaron’s tendency to “wimp out” on his story endings — everyone seems to have liked his “Get Mystique” story, but I did not like that ending either, and felt that Logan was depicted as an easily duped fall-guy who, in the final analysis, failed in his promise to Cyclops to actually “get Mystique.” To me, both in the 1920s story and the modern story, Logan just takes and takes punishment, but in the end, simply walks away from a still pretty defiant and hearty (as far as mutants go…) Mystique. He doesn’t follow through on his mission, and to just walk away after what she put him through seemed really anticlimatical and out of character to boot, I thought. Certainly not what I’d expect Logan to do.

    How about Aaron’s “Adamantium Men” story? Did that one have a more satisfactory wrap-up?

  7. Essentially regarding the Get Mystique I do agree with the above poster, especially since I disliked how Logan soaked up so much unnecessary punishment.

    In my opinion I can’t even blame Jason Aaron for throwing himself at Mystique and getting blown up over and over again. That whole series of Wolverine books that Get Mystique appeared in had one story after another of Wolverine being put through the meat grinder. (Some call it volume two, whole others called it volume three.) And every story ranging from the Logan Dies story arc to the Enemy of the State story arc had Logan in total disregard for any punishment that was inflicted at him.

    Now I am not saying that I enjoyed the part where Logan got blown up by Mystique’s mine field, nor did I enjoy any part where Logan carelessly allowed himself to get maimed or injured. But I am saying that Aaron was just following the same style that had been introduced for a long time prior to him writing the character. And I don’t agree that the blame can be shouldered on his shoulders alone, for how Logan went from being a expert fighter to a human punching bag with claws.

    I don’t think his stories are lacking heart or soul, what I do think is that he doesn’t have enough room to let his stories unfold themselves. His Wolverine Weapon X stories were limited to 16 freaking issues. But it was ok to let Daniel Way have 50 freaking issues of writing room to play with. How the hell is this fair at all ? So I strongly stand by my opinion that Jason Aaron hasn’t been given no where near the amount of freedom he deserves, and the work space he has now is like a dream come true for me.

    I did enjoy the Adamantium Men story arc . =)

    However what I treasure most from Jason Aaron’s work is Wolverine Weapon X issue number #16 and I also enjoyed the Wolverine Manifest Destiny story line even more. In my opinion those stories that I mentioned hold Logan as a character on a path to endless redemption. He is a character that wants to be a hero, and not some ruthless murderer who justifies himself when he kills people. I can’t think of another writer who writes Logan in this much of a noble light other then Chris Claremont.

    Best of all Jason Aaron promised that the story would be followed up eventually. He promises that when he writes characters, he likes to continue on their story in later issues. I wish more writers followed through with established characters like this.

    Again that is just my opinion, I am neither saying you are wrong or I am right. It’s just my two cents.

  8. A fond “thank you” and a “glad to see your opinion” to Gabriel Zero. I don’t want to read stories about how easy it is for anyone to fool simple, ol’ berzerker Logan…or how evil he was in his earlier lives and will never be an honorable man, so why try… or how sick and twisted Logan really is inside – that he really gets off on the pain. That seems to be all most Marvel writers have in mind for Wolverine recently – just some punching bag, pain freak. I’m tired of it…

    Thanks for your comments and recs.

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