‘X-Men: Second Coming’ #2 Open Thread: Epilogue

X-Men: Second Coming #2 (preview)
Writers: Zeb Wells, Mike Carey, Craig Kyle & Chris Yost, Matt Fraction
Art: Ibraim Roberson, Esad Ribic, Greg Land & Jay Leisten, Terry Dodson & Rachel Dodson

From Marvel: “The end is here. Sacrifices have been made. The most dangerous and successful attempt at the extermination of mutants is upon us. Who will walk away?”

On sale July 14, 2010.

‘Second Coming’, Epilogue: Surprising ramifications or just a big yanw?

And if you haven’t picked up the issue, make sure to read the preview, linked next the series title above.

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  1. I’m of two minds on this.

    On the one hand I am shocked by the outpouring of grief for Cable in comparison to that shown for Nightcrawler. Cable receives a state funeral while Nightcrawler is merely a sad occasion.

    And yet the ostracizing of Wolverine by fellow X-Men because of his wanton killing I found to be refreshingly realistic. It seems there may be true ramification for his actions in the Marvel Universe that I think desperately need to be explored.

    And the set up for X-Force v.2 is quite intriguing — though I could do without Deadpool.

    So all in all, the epilogue might just have been better than the main course.

    Anyone else?

  2. I agree with you. I felt like the fight itself could have been cut a lot shorter and they could have dwelt on this stuff (including Nightcrawler’s funeral). At least the last page gave me something I’ve been waiting for for a long time.

  3. I didn’t really care for it. It wasn’t a story, just a bunch of setups for the next series, there was no real purpose for it. It was just meant to be a way to get some buzz going for the new series that are spinning out of the story. It’s kind of like buying a t-shirt with a corporate logo on it. You’re paying to be advertised to.

    Plus I’m already getting tired and annoyed with Hope.

  4. “Already”? Yeah. Hope’s been bugging me since the first time she showed her face during Messiah Complex. Scott’s faith in her is too irrational, and the more she’s around the more she feels like a Mary Sue character.

  5. Like always I disagree with everybody on the site. Here are my two cents:

    First and foremost the so called neglect of Nightcrawler is complete and utter crap. Nightcrawler had a entire comic book issue dedicated to his death. Hope was treated like harshly by other X-Men and there were X-Men who blamed her for his death. If you had perhaps mentioned that girl who could use Doors as teleportation devices (Yeah forgot about her didn’t ya? The one who got blown up in the car with Wolverine and X-23) then maybe I would of been lenient with ya.

    I also disagree with the whole “Wolverine” being a bad guy for killing for X-Force. You make it sound like he was just skipping along the street and stabbing people in the face. Let’s skip over the fact that no one else seemed to be coming to the aide of 180 mutants. The Avengers and the Fantastic Four were out fighting each other during the Civil War saga and The World War Hulk saga, while the Purifiers were burning down hospitals and killing newborn babies.

    The fact is you can’t be a hero when you are being hunted like a dog. If your friends and family are being prosecuted or murdered, unless you are a complete spineless wimp, you pick up a weapon to protect your children or your loved ones. To me that is what X-Force represented, and to me characters like “Beast” and “Nightcrawler” are the real hypocrites. It’s suddenly” ok” to let Magneto on the team who ripped out the adamantium skeleton out of Wolverine years ago. (And most likely killed people for less justifiable reasons then Logan.)

    “Oh this wasn’t a story” Waah waah waah. I’m so tired of people going on and on like these stories don’t have any plot to them. “Let’s go back to the classic Chris Claremont ere, when the stories were so much better.” everyone says. “Let’s just ignore all the loose ends that were tied up and how a lot of characters received closure.” I’m really tired of people on this site ragging on and focusing on all the bad points of all my favorite books. Very rarely someone has the courage to point out the good points that are very well present in a story arc that is getting ripped on.

    X-Force is getting another title because it’s selling well and as hard as it is to believe, there are people like me who actually like the story. I actually enjoyed the art work and the writers who worked on Second Coming. And it’s only fair that at least one person visit this site and defend it. So there ya go.

    my two cents. =P

  6. hmm, i think you missed a couple of points deadzpoolz..

    i think what most of them said about nightcrawler’s neglect was how the x-men handled his death..not how it was neglected by writer’s. Do you remember them leaving him where he was and just covering him with a white cloth?

    no one in this site said that wolverine was a bad guy for doing those things, you’re disagreeing with the view of the other characters..

    oh, and i liked second coming too..i don’t think anyone here really said that it was a bad event.

  7. you know i liked the entire thing it sucked that nightcrawler died but i do disagree respectfully with many fans who are really upset at the editers and writers handling the x-line, sure its not perfect but the whole storyline was good and i kind of kike hope not being fully reavealed, plus X-force was great and i side with Logan that it does need to continue. i cant wait to see where they take the X-Men Next

  8. Deadzpoolz: I’ve been struggling with how to respond to your comments.

    On the one hand, I want to disagree with equal vehemence and overreactions point by point and on the other, I want to dissuade you of your opinions of the audience here in a calm and rational way.

    We get a lot of people on this site everyday — and most of them don’t comment at all. It is the reason I’ve tried adding more Open Threads. I WANT to hear more opinions on the latest Wolverine titles. I WANT to hear differing opinions. I WANT fans of Wolverine Origins to add their voices to the discussions.

    I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, I don’t want everyone to agree with me. What a boring place this would be.

    So as long as everyone is civil and respectful (without sucking the fun out of the joint), I encourage EVERYONE to add their two cents.

    Disagree. Tell us why you like something or why you don’t. What the flaws are and what the best line of dialogue. But respect that not everyone will -or should- agree with your opinion. And remember that it is just that, your opinion.

    As long as we can leave it civil, I think this might become a fun place to discuss the new issues, because hopefully we can all agree that Wolverine is pretty awesome character.

    Cool?

  9. I have no real comments in regards to the way they handled the deaths of Nightcrawler and Cable except for saying one thing. Nightcrawler’s death took place in the middle of everything going to hell and the knowledge that Bastion was coming at them with everything he could throw. Cable’s came after the war was over with. Nightcrawler’s funeral took place hastily because they didn’t have the time to put towards it like they did with Cable’s.

    As for the whole thing about the reaction to how people will take Wolverine and X-Force being proactive in their actions and people being shocked about Wolverine killing people, do the X-Men even pay the slightest attention to him? I know the conversation has arisen in the past about Wolverine being a killer but is it really that shocking to his fellow X-Men? And if it is so shocking, wasn’t that the reason why he was asked to become an Avenger? What sort of far reaching consequences will there really be because he was willing to cross that line that no one else was willing to? If it suddenly comes out to the rest of the Marvel Universe that Wolverine was in charge of X-Force and was running around killing individuals who were planning to kill mutants and everyone is suddenly all up in arms over it, wouldn’t that make everyone in the Marvel universe hypocrits? Not only that but despite these feelings towards Wolverine, he’s still allowed on every single X-Men squad?

    I think that this all could’ve been a game changer in regards to Wolverine and the X-Men. It should’ve been handled like “He’s a killer. He’s done horrible things. We can’t have him around. He’s no longer an X-Man.” Instead it’s being handled like “He killed hundreds of people. Don’t let it happen again. Or don’t let us know about it.” and X-23 is the one who gets the boot from Utopia for being a part of it all. Plus Wolverine then decides “Screw it. I’ll form my own team.” I know they’re laying things out for the future but this was the final issue to the storyline and should’ve been written as such. Not acting as a springboard for everything they’ve got planned.

  10. and X-23 is the one who gets the boot from Utopia for being a part of it all.

    Laura isn’t getting the boot. She’s being set free.

    Personally, I don’t see how X-Force makes Logan an animal as the story implies. As has already been pointed out: this is pretty much what he’s always done.

  11. Considering that I did reviews for quite a while (and certainly might go back to it when I get a bit more time post-Dragon*Con once I’m done vendoring) I know all about differing opinions. I have had plenty of people very vehemently object to everything that I have said. Everyone has their own thoughts about stories and it is good when people like what was going on.

    For myself, I didn’t hate Second Coming, I didn’t even dislike it. It just wasn’t what I was hoping for. I keep up with the news for comics so I already knew where the story was going and what comics would be spinning off from it so there were no real surprises. I just wanted a fun and strong story to take me there and it fell short to me.

    Hope has lost my interest, which admittedly was never that strong to begin with, by becoming another overpowered, under-developed character. Sure they made an effort, but she’s stunted and does not really have her own voice. All she has shown is the ability to angst and whine and snipe at people that basically worship her. (Don’t get me started on that.) Add the Phoenix to that mess and *yawn*.

    We also lost a couple of character I liked personally in order to get to the story.

    Now that it’s over, looking back it was basically one running fight scene which tends to get old after a while. Going forward I am cautiously optimistic about the new status. X-men interacting more with the Marvel universe? Good. X-Men fighting vampires because it’s the new ‘in’ thing? Bad. X-23 series with her on her own for once? Good Daken having a series? Bad. And so on and so forth.

    But in the end, looking at the titles that will be becoming up, I think it will be a good line up. I like X-Force and hope the new series can be even close to the quality as the last one. So I do think the story was a good thing, I just wish it had been a bit better story wise.

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